The Strength Running Podcast

Coach Jason Fitzgerald shares running advice for new and veteran runners who are passionate about getting stronger, preventing running injuries, and racing faster. Featuring guests like Olympians Nick Symmonds and Shalane Flanagan, best-selling authors Alex Hutchinson and Matt Fitzgerald, and other Physical Therapists, Sports Psychologists, and Coaches. You’ll learn what it takes to run fast, stay healthy, and become a better runner with practical no-nonsense advice.
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Dec 30, 2019

This was an incredible year for the Strength Running Podcast and I have you and our guests to thank! If you have shared the pod with your running group, left a rating or review in Apple Music, or supported our sponsors I want to thank you for making all of this possible.

In 2019, we hit one million downloads for the podcast, we’ve already surpassed 1.5 million and are quickly en route to 2 million downloads. These are surreal numbers - and they're because of you.

In this episode, host Jason Fitzgerald recaps the most popular lessons, ideas, and principles from the last year of the podcast.

Dec 9, 2019

I first met Peter at the US Trail Running Conference in Estes Park, CO. We sat together at lunch, had a great conversation, and I'm excited to bring his perspectives to the Strength Running Podcast.

Peter is on the podcast today to discuss a wide-ranging set of issues that affect runners:

  • What counts as "trail running" (especially if you live in a city)
  • How you can get involved with trail maintenance in your area
  • Plogging and how we can leave spaces better than we found them
  • His favorite type of race
  • The ATRA trail race calendar

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Please be sure to say hi to Peter on social media and thank him for coming on the podcast!

Also, a big thank you is in order for SteadyMD for sponsoring this episode of the podcast! Learn more about their medical services for runners and how you can benefit from a physician who understands runners.

No wait times, no copays, no office visits. Just a doctor who understands runners who's always available for you 24/7.

Dec 2, 2019

This coaching call is with a runner named Dena about training and goal setting as a Master’s Athlete. She’s about to turn 41, she’s running well, but she wants to make sure that she continues to do so as a Master’s runner.

And there’s no doubt that when you start getting older, running starts getting harder. Recovery is slower, adaptation takes longer, injury risks are higher, and we all experience declines in reaction time, muscle mass, VO2 Max, and so many other factors that affect our running.

In this conversation with Dena, we’re talking about the training updates that Master’s Runners can make to stall the aging process, continue to improve, and reduce their injury risk. We also discuss goal setting and how Dena can continue to keep things interesting as she runs far into her 40’s.

You’ll notice that I spent a fair amount of time encouraging Dena to train for shorter races and to lift weights. Both of these goals are similar in that they are strength and power oriented - precisely the skills that we must word harder to preserve as we get older. 

In fact, you can see a big case study on a runner named David at, who at age 73 (!), recovered from a major injury and qualified for the Boston Marathon, by focusing on his strength and power.

If I could have every runner over the age of 40 practice two simple things, it would be speedwork and weightlifting. Not just for the strength and speed, but just as much for the hormonal benefits of both. These activities provide a big hit of testosterone and growth hormone, helping spur adaptations, muscle growth, and recovery. Exactly what older runners need.

I encourage you to visit our website at and learn more about the incredible benefits of weightlifting for runners, get some example exercises and other case studies, and see how your running can be transformed with a focus on strength and power. And of course, our email courses are always free.

Nov 25, 2019

Abby Levene is relatively new to the ultramarathon distance but has been racing for most of her life. She competed for the University of Colorado at Boulder as a grad student and has a background in the 5k and 10k.

But as it happens so frequently to Colorado residents, the mountains came calling. In just the last few years, Abby has made a name for herself as an Adidas sponsored trail runner.

And just about two weeks ago, Abby placed 5th at the renowned North Face Endurance Challenge 50 Mile Championships in her first 50-mile race ever. Talk about a debut!

In this conversation, we discuss:

  • How track prepared her for long trail races,
  • How her love for trail running began in Boulder, CO
  • What her transition was like from the track to the trails
  • The mindset shifts that are necessary as you start trail running
  • Her advice for aspiring trail runners

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Abby is a genuine pleasure to hang out with and her joy for the sport of running is practically tangible. I hope you enjoy this conversation and if so, an honest review on Apple Music means a lot!

Our sponsor for this episode is Inside Tracker. I’ve been a big fan of Inside Tracker for years because of their science-backed, evidence-based system of helping runners avoid burnout, overtraining, and injury through their blood testing service. Take a selfie from the inside and go to, use code strengthrunning to save 10% on any test at checkout, and discover if you have any deficiencies that are impacting your running.

Nov 18, 2019

"Fast Kate" Grace is one of the United States' most decorated and accomplished middle-distance runners. She's an Olympian, Olympic Trials champion, and a runner-up at outdoor nationals in the 1500m.

She was also our guest on Episode 97 of the podcast.

Kate is a Nike-sponsored athlete, a member of the Bowerman Track Club, and a 4:22 miler.

She joins us on the podcast to discuss how an elite runner like herself plans an entire season from start to finish. We're discussing:

  • Overall length of the season, tune-up race scheduling and strategy, and planning
  • Her support team of coaches, experts, and clinicians that makes it all possible
  • Linear vs. nonlinear periodization and the progress of her workouts

But she's not the only guest on the podcast today! You'll also be hearing from my old friend and former teammate, Jake Tuber.

Jake is the mastermind behind Endeavorun, a new coaching program that gives regular runners like us the "pro athlete experience" with:

  • A kickoff retreat in Tracktown USA at the University of Oregon
  • Coaching and custom training for every registrant
  • A team of PT's, dietitians, and elite runners (like Kate Grace) to keep your running on track
  • VIP race experience and ongoing support - just like the pros

It's a coach, running camp, strength programming, fan experience with pro runners, training program, and nutritionist rolled into one program. 

The running community has not seen a program this comprehensive; it virtually defies definition and I'm excited to be a part of it next year.

Code JASON will also save you 15% on the registration fee and gets you a free pairs of shoes of your choice!

Please also take the Endeavorun survey to help us create the best program possible.

Nov 11, 2019

Pro ultramarathoner and trail runner Abby Hall joins us to discuss transitioning to longer distances after being a middle-distance athlete, when she thinks it’s a good idea to drop out of a race, what surprised her most when she started competing in long trail races, and what she considers her biggest failure.

Abby has placed in the top 10 at races like UTMB CCC, Lake Sonoma, and North Face 50 Mile Championships.  She's a global athlete for adidas and is also sponsored by Ultimate Direction, LEKI, Unived, and CTS.

Our sponsor for this episode is SteadyMD. SteadyMD pairs you with a primary care doctor, online who’s available via phone, text, or video for all of your needs. And not just any doctor, but a fellow runner who understands the training process and can easily order you blood work, referrals for specialists, and more. Go to to learn more and reserve your spot. 

Don't miss Episode 113 of the podcast where Jason asked Abby as well as two other pro runners how they fuel for different types of runs, races, and what might change if the distance of their race was a lot shorter.

Nov 4, 2019

I first became aware of Max King in 2014 when he won the World Warrior Dash Championship. I realized - after winning my own Warrior Dash in 2012 - that runners are often the best OCR competitors.

Before I first interviewed Max, I studied his career and was absolutely amazed by his accomplishments in virtually every discipline there is in the sport of running:

  • Trail races
  • Ultramarathons
  • Cross country
  • 3,000m steeplechase on the track
  • Road marathons
  • Obstacle course races
  • Mountain running

If it involves mostly running, Max King is a dominant athlete.

And he's not just a finisher - or even a medalist. He's often the ultimate victor, having won world Warrior Dash and mountain running championships and trail and ultramarathon national championships. He's even dabbled in triathlon and adventure races.

That's a major reason I asked Max to contribute to our Little Black Book of Recovery & Prevention (9 pro runners shared their favorite injury prevention advice). I wanted to know how such a versatile athlete stayed healthy and prevented injuries.

But today, we're discussing something different: how Max King trains.

Oct 30, 2019

Anna Mae is actually a recent entry into the world of ultramarathons. She debuted at the 2015 Way Too Cool 50k - only to have her finish time qualify as a top-10 all-time performance.

Today, her sponsors include:

  • Suunto
  • Honey Stinger

She's the current course record holder (and 2019 winner) of the Speedgoat 50 Miler. You can usually find her exploring trails and mountains near her home in Marble, Colorado.

Anna Mae joins me on the Strength Running Podcast to discuss her training. Specifically, we talk about:

  • The (big) role cross-training plays in her ultramarathon preparation
  • How she mitigates and takes advantage of altitude
  • What a typical, heavy training day looks like for her
  • Her average weekly mileage and vertical gain
  • How she recovers after a 100 miler vs. a 50k ultra
  • Injury prevention strategies for ultra runners (and the rest of us!)

Please support our sponsor Inside Tracker (code strengthrunning saves 10% on any test) who help athletes determine if they have any overtraining problems, hormonal imbalances, or vitamin deficiencies. These problems could lead to reduced performance or injury so learn what's wrong so you can take action to improve. 

Oct 23, 2019

Today you’re going to hear from three Ultramarathoners on how they fuel for races, what their post long run fueling looks like, and how things might be different if they were training for shorter races.

It’s helpful to study ultramarathoners when it comes to fueling, even if you have no interest in running ultra distances, because it’s here that fueling becomes virtually as important as the training itself. It doesn’t matter how fit you are if you don’t fuel well as an ultra runner...

We’re doing this today because we’re celebrating the relaunch of our fueling program Finish Strong. I’ve added new material, updated our fueling schedules, included more expert interviews, and there’s now an extra discount for Tailwind Nutrition. You can see all the details of Finish Strong here.

Abby Hall placed 8th at CCC earlier this year (which is known as UTMB’s sister race). Anna Mae Flynn won the Speedgoat 50k this year and Abby Levene placed 9th at this year’s Way Too Cool 50k.

I’m going to ask all three of these athletes the same 3 questions: 

  1. How do you fuel during an ultramarathon? Give us an overview of what that looks like.
  2. When you finish a long run, what does your post-run fueling look like?
  3. How would you fuel different for workouts and long runs if you were training for a shorter event like, say a 10k?
Oct 10, 2019

Dr. Marc Bubbs, ND, CISSN, CSCS is a former strength coach and the current Performance Nutrition Lead for Canada Basketball.

He's written the new book Peak: The New Science of Athletic Performance That is Revolutionizing Sports that discusses:

  • The microbiome and how to resolve gut problems
  • Sleep hygiene and circadian rhythms
  • Endurance nutrition and refueling
  • Emotions and mindset

He regularly presents at health and medical conferences around the world and has consulted with the NBA, MLB, NFL, and NHL professional sports leagues in the United States.

On the Strength Running Podcast, we're discussing a host of issues related to mastering your mindset:

  • How to use mindfulness to improve your running
  • Mindfulness tips & tricks (not so easy in today's social media culture)
  • Strategies for addressing negative self-talk
  • How mental and emotional health drives performance
  • Easy ways to get started with sports psychology concepts

Subscribe to the Strength Running Podcast in iTunesSpotifyStitcher, iHeartRadio, or Google Play.

Sep 30, 2019

Base training gives runners a foundation of fitness in three major areas: aerobic capacity, strength, and neuromuscular coordination (or leg speed).

Aerobic capacity is built through easy mileage, long runs, and workouts like tempos, progressions, and fartleks.

Strength is also built with high mileage and long runs, but also includes strength routines and core workouts.

Neuromuscular coordination is built through strides, hill sprints, and small amounts of race-pace running.

Just like the foundation of a house can’t be built without concrete, plumbing, and reinforcements, you can’t build a running foundation without all of these ingredients. If you do, it’s not as strong as it could be.

But is the Maffetone Method effective for this phase of training? MAF as it's known has you run under your aerobic maximum heart rate at all times - which means all of your running will be quite slow.

In this discussion, Jason goes over the many priorities of base training and (hint, hint) why the Maffetone Method isn't ideal.

Sep 23, 2019

Jason is back with another coaching call episode, this time featuring a runner named JT who is committing to train more diligently for his upcoming 5mi race on Thanksgiving.

He's currently training through the Texas summer heat and curious about setting an appropriate time goal, how to work through tune-up races, whether time trials work the same way, and how to pace his goal race.

JT is a member of Team Strength Running, a group coaching program for runners passionate about improvement. You can sign up here to learn more.

This episode would not have been possible without Inside Tracker, who is offering a 10% discount on any of their tests with code strengthrunning.

They test over 40 biomarkers, like various stress hormones, to determine if you’re training too hard, too little, or have any physiological weaknesses that can be remedied by either diet, exercise, or lifestyle changes.

In other words, you learn about problems that have actionable solutions.

After getting your results, they communicate what you can do to lift or lower your results into the optimal range. For any runner who wants every advantage, to see what they’re truly capable of achieving, I highly recommend Inside Tracker. I’ve personally used their ‘Ultimate Package’ tier and loved the process and results.

Don’t forget to use code strengthrunning to save 10% on any test (including their affordable DIY and Essentials)!

Sep 11, 2019

Our conversation today features the creative lead and owner of XPollination Productions, Mr. Jeremy Green. Jeremy is a road cyclist and was damn close to being a pro during his younger years.

He’s taken that same drive and intensity to his filmmaking. His company makes educational video courses for coaches and athletes and has focused on several track and field disciplines as well as golf and tennis. Now, it’s time for endurance running with the release of Running Smarter, Running Stronger.

We’re going to talk about the origins of the program, how it was made (I was being filmed on a $50,000 camera), the lessons Jeremy learned about running that surprised him, and who this course is designed for.

You can also watch the trailer and learn more about the program here.

I also want to let you know that I’m inviting anybody who purchases the course to a live Ask Me Anything webinar in the coming weeks. If you’d like to hang out with me, talk running, and ask me anything you’d like, just email me your receipt and I’ll take it from there.

Sep 2, 2019

To help us think more clearly about our mental skillset, I'd like to introduce you to Matt Pendola.

Matt Pendola is a polymath and exactly the type of person I love bringing on the podcast. His diverse background includes success in not just coaching, but his education and his athletic career.

Athletically, he's posted quite a few major accomplishments:

  • He Won the Elite Spartan World Championships Masters Division (2015)
  • Age group runner up Duathlon Nationals (2015)
  • Qualified for Duathlon World Championships 3x
  • 4th Overall at the Northface Trail Championships and 3rd in his division (2014)

He’s also a Road Runner Club of America certified running coach, massage therapist, creator of Pendola Training, and has a host of continuing education certifications in strength training, performance, and even Jack Daniels' coaching program.

In this interview, Matt and I are discussing the mental factors that contribute to our success in running. Because after you get your training right, the next big avenue for improvement is mastering your mindset and improving your confidence, drive to train, willingness to suffer, and finding the intrinsic motivation to always run consistently.

BTW, I haven't explored this topic on Strength Running at length. We have programs for injury prevention, strength training, dialing in your nutrition and fueling, coaching, and for beginner runners. But not for fine-tuning our mental fitness.

So if you have any questions, or suggestions, or ideas that you’d love for me to cover, find me on Instagram and send me a message (my direct messages are always open and I want to hear from you).

Aug 26, 2019

Today's episode is all Q&A about strength training for endurance runners featuring a guest cohost, Ms. Tina Muir!

Tina is the host of the incredibly popular Running for Real podcast, a past guest here on the Strength Running Podcast, and a former professional runner.

We're discussing many aspects of strength work:

  • Do runners need upper body exercises?
  • How often should we get in the weight room?
  • Is it best to do core training before or after running?
  • Is progressive overload in the gym too aggressive?
  • Should runners lift to failure?
  • Can circuit workouts be used for strength training?
  • And a lot more!

The answers to these questions - in much more detail - are also found in Strength Running’s email series about weightlifting for runners. It’s an email a day about the benefits of strength work, common myths that many of us believe, case studies, mistakes to avoid, example exercises, and a lot more.

Sign up today at and let’s plan your strength training a bit more strategically.



Aug 20, 2019

What you’re about to listen to is a coaching call where we talk about Riley’s running background, the types of training he has experience with, and how he can structure the next 4 months of his running to not only finish his first half, but also race it well.

Riley is a member of Team Strength Running, the most affordable virtual coaching group you can join. These behind the scenes coaching call opportunities are only available to team members so if you’d like to learn more about the team, just sign up and I’ll send you more details. I think you’re really going to like it.

Riley and I are also going to talk about the enviable position he’s in right now (you’ll notice how excited I am for Riley because of where he’s at in his life), the types of long runs and workouts that work great for the half marathon, and the obstacles he must avoid this fall if he’s going to stay healthy and run his first marathon.

Aug 12, 2019

Us distance runners are used to metering out our effort, cautiously sipping fuel to conserve energy, and waiting for the perfect moment to strike.

We're creatures of patience, willing to grind for miles and execute a well-planned pacing strategy over the course of a race.

But none of that happens in the 800m.

In the half mile - possibly the "perfect" middle distance event - caution and patience are liabilities. Sipping fuel would be competitive suicide; blasting the after-burners is the only way to race it.

And such a fast, aggressive race demands training that's very different from what distance runners are used to.

In fact, 800m training looks like a blend of sprint and distance work: long runs and speed training, traditional track workouts with more strides, drills, and top-end speed reps.

During my track days, I certainly didn't do any 800m training. But I raced a lot of 800's in a few situations:

  • As a second race during a track meet (the 1500m / 800m double is particularly taxing)
  • At the end of a season if you haven't qualified for the championship meets
  • During a 4x800m relay (putting four distance runners in a relay and watching them struggle with a mid-distance race is especially hilarious)

And while I'm firmly a distance runner (and distance coach), I love the 800m race. It's a beautiful expression of speed.

So I brought a middle-distance coach on the podcast to discuss this distance, 800m training, and how adult runners can get started with shorter, faster races.

Please welcome Tom Brumlik to the Strength Running Podcast (this is an excerpt from Team Strength Running).

Tom is an 800m specialist coach for the District Track Club in Washington, DC. He used to hold the General Manager role as well but is now working exclusively in a coaching capacity.

The DTC was started (and is still directed) by Matt Centrowitz, Sr. (father to Olympic Gold Medalist Matt Centrowitz) and features a range of elite middle distance runners.

Tom is on the podcast today to discuss how an elite running club like the DTC works (its funding, how it recruits members, and its origin) and the intricacies of 800m training.

He'll be answering questions like:

  • What kind of mileage levels do 800m runners run?
  • How long do these mid-distance runners go for their long runs?
  • What speed development workouts are required for 800m training?
  • Do runners from sprint or endurance backgrounds fair better in the 800?

We also discuss how to find all-comers track meets (there needs to be more of these!) so you can test yourself at the 800m distance.

Aug 8, 2019

Katy Sherratt joins us on the podcast today to discuss the mission of Back on My Feet and the power of running to combat homelessness.

And it is quite powerful! The organization has helped more than 7,000 and every dollar invested into Back on My Feet returns $2.50 to the local community. Talk about a positive return on investment!

In this conversation, we're discussing:

  • Why she initially chose to work at Back on My Feet
  • What lessons she's learned from using running to combat homelessness
  • How running works so well as a platform for self-improvement
  • The power of community to help members escape homelessness
  • Her history as a runner and what the organization is doing next

Getting up at 5:30 in the morning to run requires commitment. And for those who can commit, they'll be rewarded with a supportive community, housing and employment resources, and other tools that will help them achieve more of their goals - both on and off the road.

Jul 25, 2019

After 100 episodes of the Strength Running Podcast, Jason announced a survey to get your feedback.

What format episode is your favorite? Do you prefer longer or shorter episodes? What would you like to see MORE of? And of course, what can be improved?

After analyzing hundreds of responses, there are some clear trends on what you like and would like to see in this podcast.

In this episode, Jason talks through the main takeaways from the survey and what changes to expect in the podcast.

The survey is still up so if you would like to add your voice, please do so! Visit to give us your feedback.

Jul 17, 2019

Matt Phillips is a running injury and performance specialist from England who's written for most major media platforms and has spoken at numerous international conferences. You might recognize him!

He's a massage therapist, video gait analyst, and is also the host of the Run Chat Live Podcast (I was recently a guest here!).

In this conversation, we're covering a lot:

  • When is gait retraining a good idea? Who should consider it?
  • What are the risks of trying to improve your form?
  • Are the risks of prolonged sitting substantial? How can we work around this?
  • Can you reinforce proper running technique without trying to?
  • What aspects of this topic have changed in the last 10 years?

If you'd like to reinforce proper form, improve your efficiency, and make running more economical you can do so using "form cues." They are simple to implement ways of automatically improving your gait.

See my three favorite form cues here.

Jul 11, 2019

Menachem Brodie is an exercise scientist, USA Cycling Expert level coach and USA Triathlon certified coach, and a graduate of an American College of Sports Medicine Accredited program with a bachelors in Exercise Physiology.

He also has experience working in physical therapy, Emergency Medicine, and even with sports like basketball and CrossFit.

By now, you've noticed that I love speaking with guests on the podcast with a wide diversity of experiences. And Menachem clearly fits the mold.

Today, we're discussing strength training for endurance runners.

More specifically, we're focusing on:

  • The value of having a strength and conditioning certification (but why experience also matters)
  • Strength work for rehabilitation vs. performance
  • The lifting differences between endurance runners and cyclists
  • How to think about strength training periodization
  • Thoughts on fitness classes like Orange Theory, boot camp, Body Pump, etc.

As the author of two strength training courses offered on the Training Peaks site, Menachem is uniquely positioned to offer us new perspectives on weightlifting for runners.

Jun 24, 2019

Alexandra Ellis is a polymath, having studied and worked in many different areas of exercise science, fitness, and coaching.

She has a degree in Exercise Biology and has amassed nearly 1,000 hours of yoga training. Alex also has additional education in:

  • Human Dissection (of course, this was the first thing we talked about)
  • CrossFit Mobility
  • Movement education with Sarah Court, DPT
  • Regeneration Techniques workshop completion through NSCA

As you can see, she has experiences that most coaches would envy (human dissection and NSCA training in particular).

And I'm always looking for new perspectives that will help us improve our running. Alex delivers in a fun episode that highlights her knowledge about the body, movement, recovery, and injuries.

In this conversation, we discuss:

  • What did she learn from dissecting human cadavers?
  • The physiological, biomechanical, and behavioral aspects of her Exercise Biology degree
  • What she learned from CrossFit Mobility that will help runners
  • How to incorporate a daily mobility practice into your life
  • The pros and cons of different massage tools (foam rollers, lacrosse balls, and even Graston tools)
  • How to prevent and treat rolled ankles
  • What she means when she says, "If stretching ain't helping, start building strength."

To celebrate our 100th episode, I invite you to take a short (3-question) survey to help us make it better. I really appreciate it.

Jun 18, 2019

Today's episode is about recovery, and specifically recovery through three different perspectives: acute recovery - or what you do immediately after a hard workout or race, recovery as preparation - or what you do in training that makes recovery easier, and finally long-term recovery from season to season so you can avoid over-training and burning out.

It’s helpful to talk about recovery from different perspectives but also different time scales. Because recovery can happen in the micro and in the macro.

And I think this is really important because we runners tend to get caught up in this one dimensional form of thinking about recovery where we’re only focused on recovery after a run. It’s what we do after a race, or long run, or workout, that defines recovery.

But recovery is bigger than that and we’ll be better runners if recovery is more 3-dimensional.

Don't miss our free foam roller guide to expedite the recovery process at 

Jun 6, 2019

Today's podcast episode features one of the lead coaches for Rogue Running, a massive running group in Austin, Texas.

After discovering the Running Rogue podcast and learning more about the group, I instantly recognized Chris McClung as a thoughtful coach who truly "gets" training (he's not going to tell you to run less, run faster...).

In this conversation, we focus on three key areas:

  • How he learned to be a great coach
  • The training theory and principles that influence his coaching
  • The role of community and how that impacts your performance

This episode is an excerpt from Team Strength Running, our group coaching program that connects you to me as your coach, a team of your peers, and a new monthly expert interview.

Sign up here to get notified the next time we open!

May 28, 2019

Borrowing an idea from our mutual friend Nicole Antoinette, Kate has decided to choose courage over comfort when it comes to showing up and racing.

When it comes to getting the most from our bodies, all of us have some trepidation about the discomfort of racing. It can be unpleasant and downright painful. But deciding to "go all in" and embrace that fear is the only way we can reach our potential.

It's not an easy choice. Comfort is far easier: the comfort of sleeping in, not signing up for that big race, or not pushing hard during the final mile.

But comfort can be the invisibility cloak that masks failure. After all, if we're only operating at 85%, are we really thriving?

Today's conversation with Kate Grace covers many areas of training and mastering your inner psychology:

  • How she handles workout anxiety and pre-race jitters
  • What she does to stay in control of her thoughts during demanding speed workouts
  • How she talks to herself in fearful situations (like standing on the starting line of a major championship)
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